Friday, August 28, 2009

The True Church and the Conciliar Church Compared

By: Dr. J. P. Hubert

Many people who seriously consider the difficulties which have befallen the Catholic Church[1] find it virtually impossible to believe that there has been a complete break with Traditional Roman Catholicism.[2] This reluctance exists despite copious warnings from Sacred Scripture and Sacred Tradition that a universal Apostasy involving the Church will definitely occur at some point.[3]

It is understandable that those Catholics who prior to 1968 were accustomed to the presence of outstanding Popes and those who recognize the proper implications of papal infallibility would experience a marked visceral discomfort at the thought of the Roman Catholic Church apostatizing from the One True Faith. No doubt it is emotionally wrenching and intellectually stultifying to even consider such a thing.

It is well known however, that our ability to think rationally can be negatively impacted by our emotional state. It is much more comfortable to assume that all is well, that what seems to be true is not actually the case.[4] We tend to resist the uncomfortable feeling which results from having to accept that the usual state of affairs is no longer operative. Like the doctor facing a major complication of complex surgery, we hope and pray against all odds that our worst fears will not be realized. We cling to any sign that would prevent us from admitting what we suspect is true. Our responsibility however is to seek the truth. As Traditional Roman Catholic Christians we are united to the Being whose very nature and essence is Truth itself—Jesus Christ. Lies on the other hand are of the Devil--who has been nothing but a deceiver from the very beginning.

No hardship must be allowed to deter us from seeking the truth which our Lord Jesus Christ has taught will make us free. If the conciliar church now stands where the Roman Catholic Church once did and if it is a counterfeit--an absolute abomination, we must be capable of discerning it and be committed to acting/behaving accordingly. The question which must be asked cannot be avoided:

Is the conciliar church a false sect a schismatic pseudo-religion worse than anything the Protestant “reformers” ever conceived? Is the conciliar church an anti-Christic abomination which seeks to destroy the True Roman Catholic Church of Jesus Christ?

After almost 50 years of disastrous changes to the Traditional Roman Catholic Church, the conciliar church of the Novus Ordo has destroyed the visible confines of the True Roman Catholic Church. It is no longer recognizable as a corporeal entity. Nor is it any longer One, Holy, Catholic or Apostolic the formula which all pre-Vatican II Catholics recognized as the “4” marks of the True Church. The conclusion which must be drawn to a high degree of moral certainty is that the conciliar Novus Ordo church[5] represents a schismatic facade which has--through internal revolution--taken over the visible Roman Catholic Church of Christ. It has retained some of the superficial attributes of the True Church but its very nature is that of an apostate entity. The more detailed the analysis one conducts--of the circumstances prior to John XXIII’s calling of the second Vatican Council and the Council itself including its aftermath--the more not less obvious it becomes that a complete rupture has occurred with the True Church of Jesus Christ. Further investigation and analysis of the conciliar church instead of answering legitimate questions and objections, only serves to highlight the degree of perfidy involved by the revolutionaries in foisting the conciliar nightmare on unsuspecting Catholics.

There exists a small remnant of Traditional Roman Catholics who continue to resist the conciliar church and who endeavor to embrace the entire deposit of Catholic faith as handed down by the Apostles, the martyrs, the Church Fathers and the saints. This remnant tries valiantly without any organized structure or kind of visible support or hierarchy to uphold the entirety of Divine Revelation which it has inherited. It is currently under great duress. The Holy Sacrifice of the Mass the very life-blood of the Roman Catholic Faith has been virtually unavailable for over 40 years. The other sacraments have been attenuated at best and at worst, destroyed beyond recognition.

The Traditional Catholic has no earthly person to whom he/she may appeal for help. Despite the conciliar church teaching that all religions are to be respected, the Vatican has ignored or calumniated against those Traditional Catholics who have asked that the hierarchy defend the conciliar changes against the charges of heresy and apostasy. It has refused to provide the Traditional Latin Mass of Pope St. Pius V which was to be available in perpetuity by order of Quo Primum tempore. No high ranking Bishop, arch-Bishop or Cardinal ordained or consecrated before 1969[6] has challenged the conciliar church hierarchy as they were sworn to. No Pope since John XXIII has taken the oath against Modernism. Why not? The most likely explanation is that they fully embrace Modernism since they all have vowed to proceed with the further implementing of Vatican II.

The True Church held that the philosophy of the angelic doctor St. Thomas Aquinas was the philosophy of the Catholic Church. The conciliar church has rejected St. Thomas and embraced a slew of diverse modern philosophies. In authentic Thomistic fashion, what we must be concerned with is not what “seems” to be true, but what “is” true. While it may seem to be inconceivable that a revolution has taken place in the Roman Catholic[7] Church the facts prove otherwise.[8] Sadly, the evidence demonstrates that the conciliar church is a counterfeit apostate abomination steeped in neo-Modernism.[9] Some ask why it isn’t possible that the conciliar church represents simply an updated version of the True Church. The simplest way to answer is that the two are virtually the inverse of each other. The “first principles” of being especially the law of non-contradiction would have to be repealed in order for the two not to be incompatible. That presumably is the reason why the neo-Modernist revolutionaries who foisted their creation on the True Church found it necessary to reject St. Thomas and to replace him with a hodge-podge of modern anti-philosophies. They are anti-philosophies because rather than representing a complete philosophy or explanation of life they instead are nothing but disjointed mutually exclusive concepts which destroy rather than unify the True Church of Jesus Christ.

Moreover, if one attempts to harmonize the conciliar teachings with Sacred Scripture and Sacred Tradition one finds nothing but contradictions. Yet, the same comparison made between the teachings of the True Church and Sacred Scripture are harmonious. Furthermore, there is no ambivalence in papal writings prior to 1958. There is virtually nothing but ambivalence in those written after 1958. If it were true as is alleged that conciliar church teaching represents nothing but an update or renewal of the teachings of the True Church and Sacred Scripture why should they be contradictory?

Lastly, prior to 1958 every Roman Catholic who came of age knew exactly what was expected of him/her, what the Church taught was right and what was wrong. The only question each individual had to face was to what degree it would be possible to keep the entirety of the faith. Since 1958, there has been no agreement over what the conciliar church teaches, what is morally permissible and what is not and what is expected of its members. The question of how well a person can discipline oneself in order to remain true to the faith is no longer relevant as discipline in general is nowhere to be found. There is just as much variation among conciliar "Catholic's" with regard to moral behavior and belief as there is in secular society.[10] Prior to 1958 all Roman Catholics knew what was moral and what was not. Even though some members fell short of the mark all agreed that the Church had the right to set and enforce moral norms. Any failure to meet those norms was the result of the individual's lack of attaining the requisite perfection required, the solution to which was frequent penance and the attaining of sanctifying grace through an increased devotion to Jesus Christ not the abrogation of the norms themselves.

To be continued...


1. A virtual implosion from “within” affecting all areas which are measurable.
2. An actual rupture or separation where the conciliar or Novus Ordo church represents a schismatic sect that has apostatized from the True Church of Jesus Christ.
3. The references are too numerous to detail but include Matt. 24: 4-5, Luke 18:8, 2 Thess. 2: 3-4.
4. Or to accept what on meticulous analysis is incontestable to a high degree of moral certainty.
5. In other words the conciliar church including the Novus Ordo Missae represents a revolution, a complete overthrowing and replacement of the True Roman Catholic Church of Christ. This is something that is demanded by the facts themselves when comparing the True Church to the Novus Ordo church on the basis of first principles and logic.
6. The sacrament of Holy Orders was altered in 1969 which also affected the consecration of Bishops.
7. A revolution which has put in its place a counterfeit entity termed the conciliar or “Novus Ordo” church,
8. There have been a plethora of negative fruits in the wake of the council.
9. This is true globally in terms of Creed, Code and Cult.
10. After the Council the "golden-rule" ethic was replaced with rank Utilitarianism. Since then, a general confusion exists about what is right and what is wrong, the expected result of the abandoning of the natural law among secularists.

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